The real reason Boeing's new plane crashed twice

Zverejnené 15 apr 2019
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Two Boeing airplanes have fallen out of the air and crashed in the past six months. On the surface, this is a technical failure. But the real story is about a company's desire to beat their rival.
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    • +Sweetteawillie Thank You for clearing the doubt!

    • Nikhil Kulkarni The engines are mounted higher and slightly forward for ground clearance, otherwise they would have to increase the landing gear height and retracted positions. The engines have a larger diameter than the NG and previous models. It's less tedious to position the engines than it is to relocate landing gear bays and components and systems in those areas.

    • Why didn't they increase the clearance from the ground with few design changes?

    • Vox, maybe you should stay in your lane and leave the explaining to the NTSB. They are REAL investigators, not pretend journalists.

    • HOW ABOUT TONING DOWN THE LOUD MUSIC?

  • This is how dishonesty kills. If this is true, then it is Boeing, not the airlines, have the blood of the victims on their hands. People are rightly furious about this and the victim's families deserve all kinds of compensation of their loss.

  • Um bullshit if you move the engine up without changing the the pitch of the engine it does the exact oposite of what your saying if you would like to learn about this check out mentor on youtube

  • Japanese MRJ made a %20 efficient aircraft without killing people. You are loser boeing.

  • let me guess? communism is the answer?

  • 🙏

  • Clear case of negligence for both Boeing and US governance.

  • I know let’s give our money away

  • If you know anything about airplanes or aircraft manufacturers, you know that this video is scrutinizing Boeing for something that other manufacturers do too. It’s a sad thing that lives were lost, but its what happens when mistakes are made. I don’t like how this video makes Boeing the “bad guy” when they are not the only company to release new airplanes quickly to make profit.

  • It takes only two switches, to turn off automated system.

  • I am not stepping foot on a 737 MAX until the root cause has been 100% identified and a fix made. I need 100% transparency on this.

  • This is Why Robotos can Never Exist.. We HUMANs are the GODs..Only We Are the Most Superior Organism Ever Exists... Only We can FIX ,CREATE.....

  • Don’t blame boeing for this. Many planes have similar autopilot features. The fact that one crew knew how to turn the autopilot stall protect feature off shows that information was published on the MCAS system. Pilot error on both accounts for failing to understand their A/C and POH. Tough but that’s how aviation works. Complacency in aviation breeds these kinds of accidents.

  • The flight before Lion Air 610 had the same problem, the crew solved it and reported it to maintenance.

  • Its an American engineering marvel, just like Chrysler that stalls its engines on freeways.

  • I can't wait to see the air crash investigation of this. I love those shows.

  • Notice how no planes went down in the states because in America and most European countries a professional pilot knows how to disable it.....

  • Guys please, never fly on max ever again! No matter what software they come up. Boeing needs to learn what a horrible thing they did the hard way! They killed hundreds people. Their blood is on Boeing’s hands

  • Great visuals

  • Excellent video.

  • If you want the truth, don't go to vox

  • Wait, so how did the engine directly effect the plane from the nose being to high? How was the engine the problem?

  • @vox @time 2:11 It should have been March 20, 2011 ??

  • Even if the software is fixed, the design flaws remain and it still has a massively higher risk of a stall. This is not a safe plane.

  • They shouldve think of safety rather than money

  • This is literally out of fight club where he's explaining where if the cost of a recall is more than X (lawsuits from lost human lives) they wont do it.

  • thank god that JetBlue uses Airbus

  • I would like to see the person who came with this kind of idea to let plane overtake full control over Pilot??? And the another person who confirmed that? how is this possible?

  • so if I show this to my teachers then I won't have to do MCAS ever

  • It's only two aeroplanes.

  • MCAS? Oh! Like that test I have? Oh wait never mind...

  • I am here to tell all that to much automation is the wrong direction, it is dangerous. The technology should stay out of vehicles for at least another 20 yrs until it is fully understood. I can’t wait for Uber to have a few big accidents. I hope they get sued to bankruptcy. All you goons that drive for Uber and Lyft need to understand you are going to be replaced by machines. That is why they have the service going everywhere possible. Tens of Millions of people are going to lose jobs due to automation in the next 10 yrs. we as a human race need to fight back at the companies pushing automation. It is time to Stan duo and fight. Humanity will disappear soon if we do not.

  • Boeing and the FAA need to be made an example of and punished HEAVILY$$$$$. This is unacceptable, reprehensible. The CEO at Boeing should be in jail and the top execs at the FAA that approved the certification too. All fired and jailed. Anytime you start outsourcing, you have quality control issues and it only gets worse.

  • Automated controls,.... this is not the first time a plane has crashed because of them. Why is it beyond the engineers train of thought to put one single control switch that would give pilots 100% control of the aircraft in case of some unknown system failure ? ,,,,Keep the warning systems, but let the captain disable ALL automated controls with out exception.

  • 2:53 “hottest selling plane on the market” so explain how according to your graph the neo has (around) 1700 orders in 2 years and the max has barely a 1000. Pretty sure 1700 is more than a 1000

  • onething i dont understand about airplane companies. they dont understand if it isnt broken dont fix it.. they have alot of good planes but they keep making new design planes and testing with the passengers. cant they just produce more working planes. arh.

  • I Hope boeing pays the price for being to lazy to redesign the plane. Just redesign the Aircraft if the engines wont fit! Just such an bullcrap. Over 300 People died because they didnt want to redesign the Aircraft?!?

  • I still believe these planes were electronically hijacked....

  • Good video, Ira Glass style.

  • Those videos are similar to propaganda. It takes two switches to désengage MCAS. Please, an accident is a chain of events and putting the blame just on Boeing is simply stupid. As appealing the target can be, with all the greedy and nasty reasons you might want to satisfice on, this doesn’t help people understanding and pointing to the reality of the issue. The whole industry, including relative national regulators have to rethink their ways. Every 737 MAX is the same, but not every country, not every airline, not every pilot, and not every day, a faulty sensor is the cause. Then, Pilots training, Automation and Minimum safety standards are all to be reviewed in the wake of those catastrophe. Boeing has a culture to keep Pilots in direct control of the plane, all is in place to cut out electrical systems fast and effectively if needed. If you want to understand the economics behind, it’s to easy to blame the constructor, they are not the only one making money. But, surely, they are the ones that can sustain a hit. Une pensée aux victimes.

  • Boeing a320 is better than 737-800 Change my mind

  • Capitalism us to blame for Boeing's actions

  • Capitalism at it's finest!

  • Well done America... leading the way in $$ hunger

  • Conclusion: Boeing, please Stop playing childish games.

  • Yanks rename things because they don’t know how to pronounce the letters in the English language ...the can’t even pronounce aluminium....alll you min eeee umm you fools! Lol

  • Hard- and Software-Cheats.... every Idiot is a Pilot, when they falling out Playnes fall down.

  • THIS VIDEO IS PUBLISHED BY AN AIRBUS FANBOY OR JUST AIRBUS ITSELF. AIRBUS SUCKS AND THEIR BEING VINDICTIVE BECAUSE THE AIRBUS A380 IS GOING DOWN THE TUBES.

  • Outsourcing destroys, and never saves, companies. Dell, Gateway, and HP lost money when outsourced. Boeing outsourcing will kill Boeing.

  • The thing is, the MCAS system worked BUT the scenario of what would happen if a specific sensor was to go faulty was never tested, by the plane developers or by flight sim tests. Also, what to do in a situation when a sensor does go faulty was exposed by a previous flight of the doomed Ethiopian plane. It was reported by the flights previous flight crew that a sensor failed and MCAS kicked in but this time in the cockpit, was an off duty pilot who knew what to do and got the pilot to turn off MCAS (can be done but not easy unless you've read ALL the training material). Unfortunately this off duty pilot never reported the incident to the next flight crew. This is fact and is in the investigation report. The question then becomes, how come this off duty pilot knew how to disable MCAS but the next flight crew didn't. Training is surely at fault here. What needs to be investigated is how many pilots of this airplane had the exact same problem but was able to deal with it because they knew how to disable MCAS? Two sets of pilots from different airlines did not know how to disable it and it cost everyone their lives. Boeing has improved MCAS to make it easier for it to be disabled and allow pilots to control the plane. Training manuals have also been improved. a 2nd sensor is installed as standard now instead of just one BUT it still comes down to that one off duty pilots statement to the investigating team. He was able to talk through the process of how to disable MCAS to the previous flight crew. So was it just a case of bad pilot training? the flight crew did not bother to check out the new training material because they thought the plane was still identical to the previous 737.

  • Kacau...

  • Should have guessed, greed. That was the bottom line!

  • I think there is more to the story. A deeper cultural problem. Just watched a video about some whistle blowers that were fired.

  • Money means more than humans.

  • apart from the great content and the issue behind it .. those sketches are very unique!

  • We should also consider that Boeing has always had these issues... let's not forget that the 787 Dreamliner was built on cheaper material, just to compete. They deserve bankruptcy honestly, every decision taken is always supporting the idea of saving money, instead of reassuring safety.

  • Shocking Boeing.

  • Not going to fly with this model.Ever.I’ll cancel my tickets if I have to.

  • The real reason airplanes crash...Gravity.

  • Corporate scum did this.

  • And of course, no one was arrested for this.

  • How many employees of Vox have NTSB incident investigator certification? Not one single referenced source is evident in this video. Even if this were a 7th grade essay or report assignment in an inner city public junior high school.....this video would likely have a red "F" on it's cover page because even the kindest most forgiving school teacher wants to KNOW what the author's sources are. Vox......like most current so called on-line purveyors of opinion that's being masqueraded as actual news.....Vox seems to have a bad habit of failing to cite sources.

  • Sad reality, lots of PPL died from a risky long planned Airplane design. Hope Airbus learn from this and keeps on the good work.

  • They lied to get 360 people killed in less than 365 days

  • I dare a Boeing spokesperson to come on this site and explain:. 1. Corrective measures and time frame; 2. Compensation for families.

  • The airplane flew, in essence, without incident for 17 months prior to these crashes. It has nothing to do with greed but considering the source that slant isn't surprising. The airplane isn't perfect and won't be after the 'fixes' are put in place. It's not a scandal, it's not a matter of rushing to make the quick dollars. It's a problem, a potentially serious problem that had devastating consequences. It's nothing new in aircraft development.

  • The should be a direct hanging for those engineers and CEO’s that rushed this into service. Greed overtook their brain capacity, which was not much to begin with.

  • If they spent billions on a new jet design instead, I bet they'd still be in profit. If you're making profit the company is doing well because trying to save money on an already money making company is pure greed and disgraceful

  • is there something in Boeing's contract with Indonesian and Ethopian airlines that they can't take legal action against Boeing? If the crash planes were a US or European operators', would the circumstances after the 2 crashes be the same? Boeing should be held accountable for this in the international court of law and 2 airlines and governments should initiate the legal actions

  • After watching this I think about the 346 lost souls on both flights R I P

  • The real reason for the crash was greed.

  • Whose going to jail? Never a rich executive.

  • pilot error due to not understandnig the trim update. Its not politically correct to tell the truth anymore because of where it happened, but thats the truth. This video just proves the guy knows nothing about the situation.

  • Evil business practises took 346 life. boeing should take full responsibility for each life cause by them

  • If Boeing has a free ticket at the FAA and Airbus needs to implement all safety measures, because they don't get free tickets at their aviation authority, this is a pretty unfair economic competition.

  • Wait, the plane crashed into the Java sea? The code was just trying to get back home. Its natural instincts.

  • In the first university courses about electrical engineering and software development i learned that in aviation you need very, very robust systems capable of deciding from redundant inputs which one to deem valid. Even that the software systems themselves should be redundant and a final gate needs to decide which output from the system is valid, i.e. 2 out of 3. The aviation software architect, developers and everyone who knew about these violations of basic aviation safety procedures, an automatic trimming system relying on only one sensor, where the system as well is not redundant(!!!), belong TO JAIL!!!! Why? Because they are a proofen danger to the public. Sorry, for this, there's no "They ordered me to do it", as an excuse.

    • +Chris H damn right, it takes a series of people with more greed than respect for life to get such a system done. I could even imagine the big boss had no idea and some other management level with complicit employees decided on the system. All in order to get a promotion for their ingenious savings idea...

    • I agree, you shouldn't only look at the top. A lot of people must have known about this!

    • Someone in the thread wrote, he heard, Boeing outsourced their IT to India. Maybe they recruited people who never heard about aviation software development. Then you should also put Boeings HR in a dark, dark prisonhole.

  • The world has lost their minds to capitalist GREED (fear)!

  • That's bullshit that they have such a software like that. Because of competition PEOPLE LOST THEIR LIVES!!!!! I couldnt imagine if that happened to someone I love or if it happened to me and my family had to deal with that heart break. I dont trust those planes no matter what, I dont care if theres a software update. I'm not risking my life nor the people I love lives. Either fix the plane to fit the engine UNDER the wing or say goodbye to your customers. I ain't trusting no scrap metal.

  • Greedy bastard! They risk our live just so their CEO can get more bonus by selling defect planes!

  • Same thing happened with MH370. There was a known fault in the emergency oxygen supply for the pilot/co-pilot that caused a cockpit fire & hull-breach at Cairo airport in the same model plane, but Boeing decided it was too expensive to bring all planes in to insulate the anti-kink wiring that was causing the emergency oxygen to explode. Any pilots that spoke out about that & let people know that it would explain exactly what happened on MH370 on the most respected & well known internet pilot forums (that boeing had bought out a few years earlier) were simply deleted & banned. Shocking they can get away with stuff like this! Thanks for blowing the whistle on this one & letting us all know the truth Vox!

  • Very good video. Congratulations! The final photos are very hard to look at.

  • That is the result of limited liability (ltd, plc, llp) company status and politicians not allowing large businesses to fail because of bad/criminal management. Both features of our none-free marking system. This means owners of large businesses (including shareholders) do not have to take responsibility for their decisions. Expect more of same until limited liability is removed.

  • Dishonesty. Whatever happened to 'my work is my bond'.

  • thought I heard they didnt want to pay for the updated sensors, others that did never had this problem...

  • Airplane makers should change its business model from selling planes to renting planes worldwide.

  • I think this is a very poor piece of reporting drawing conclusions as to why an accident occurred as a result of company policy. This is a very selectively chosen hypothesis from a very complex set of circumstances that ignores other factors in these crashes in an ignorant and insulting fashion. Dramatic panning photos and mood music do not resolve the truth in accident investigation. I'm disappointed in this video.

  • It's always about the money....

  • Don’t worry, exec bonus’s will still get handed out.

  • Thanks for clearing this up.🇮🇩

  • Both Mas mh17 and mh370 is Boeing, duhhh.My country should just accept Airbus.

    • yeh & mh370 was the same story, known fault that had previously caused the pilot/co-pilot's emergency oxygen supply to explode & rip a hole in the hull, but boeing didn't want to foot the bill fixing, so they just pretended that didn't exist on the rest of the effected planes despite that explosion & hull breach in Cairo a year before mh370 happened

  • btw the plane had 2 mcas/AoA sensors but it the software only took input from one sensor. FAA likely looked at 2 sensors and went yeah ok that's good in case 1 fails without realizing the software only reads 1 sensor ignoring the other, the new software update will use both sensors (plus the black box recorded both sensors but the software took input from 1, its likely other planes had an MCAS sensor fail but it took input from **only** the other sensor, basically a 50/50 chance of living if a sensor fails before the crashes.)

  • I see the Boeing PR shills are back in full force.

  • As a software engineer... It saddens me that the company rushed the production of that software.

    • Adam Pine Worse than that the physical design may have been rushed. MCAS software is just there to compensate for the aerodynamics issue.

  • Told you Lion Air is bad at landinh

  • very well video. Superb editing and scripting . Professional , smooth graphic and well narrated. Good music choice and mix. A little bit more modernish music will be better. well done

  • good job america

  • The simple answer is to buy Airbus jets!

    • That would be easy. But the A320neo is sold out for years and Airbus cannot increase production any further. Unfortunately, Boeing will soon bring this ancient aircraft model back into the air and the airlines will buy it.

  • I recognize that Vox is a partisan “news” organization. But they stated, and then totally ignored the most important fact: it happened to American crews and it was a non-event.. how many fatalities do we have in the US each year? Approximately zero on average. Dozens per year were killed in Indonesia every year in planes that had noncontroversial systems. Same goes for Ethiopia. Please Vox, stop demonizing big business Boeing for things you do not understand. The beginning of the video was well researched, but drawing your own ignorant conclusions before the investigations are finished and presenting them as facts is dishonest and damaging to the industry.

    • Myron Tedrow It wasn’t a “non-event”. American crews reported the problem several times. We just got lucky. Not a training, cultural or software issue; it’s a fundamental design problem.

  • Lot's of misinformation on this video! How about placing the blame where it belongs. The MCAS sensor's were not maintained IAW requirement. How about lack of training before flying this plane.

    • Kawika Jones Do you want to fly in a plane where one broken sensor followed by a missed switch causes everyone onboard to die?